Official EPA numbers for the hurricanes posted

[Pikeman_66]

EPA Releases Official MPG Numbers For 2025 Ram 1500

As anticipation mounts for the arrival of the 2025 Ram 1500 at dealerships nationwide, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has unveiled the official fuel economy numbers for this highly anticipated truck lineup, which now includes the innovative twin-turbocharged 3.0-liter HURRICANE I6...

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numbers posted yesterday.

 

[User_3336]

2 mpg better than the HEMI? I guess that would depend on your driving style.....

 

[smashweights]

Ugh, I know everyone seems to want more power but I'd rather have the SO @ 420 HP with better mpg on the higher trims than the HO...

 

[Pikeman_66]

Ugh, I know everyone seems to want more power but I'd rather have the SO @ 420 HP with better mpg on the higher trims than the HO...

I agree with you on this. I have a limited-on order, but I would much prefer to have the SO over the HO to be very honest. they should have had 2 choices for the higher end trucks. standard the SO and optioned the HO for them. give the buyers a choice and stop forcing things on us. all the companies are doing it and it's really getting aggravating.
I imagine the fuel companies pushed some cash at someone to make premium fuel the only choice for certain engines and trims.

 

[WXman]

The "combined" number is what 95% of people will actually expect to see. Looks like 0 difference with the S.O. engine and -2 with the H.O. engine. Plus, higher octanes required across the board. Woof....

 

[Richard320]

I wonder what the figures will be if you use 87 octane and the knock sensor retards the timing?


And yes, I know the knock sensor itself doesn't actually do anything but send a signal to the ECU. Get over yourself.

 

[Pikeman_66]

I wonder what the figures will be if you use 87 octane and the knock sensor retards the timing?


And yes, I know the knock sensor itself doesn't actually do anything but send a signal to the ECU. Get over yourself.

I am hearing so many things about the octanes in these engines it's hard to separate it all out. I have heard that you can run 87 in both engines just fine, but it will reduce HP. this was from a Ram engineer. but you can't find that in printed form anywhere.
I have also heard you can't do that, or it will cause engine damage down the road. I wish Ram would print what the actual facts are on these things! If all running 87 in the HO does is reduce a few HP and not cause any damage to it, I will run it or 89. the premium here 90 plus is at the lowest a dollar a gallon more than 87. I will take a few less horses for that difference if it won't cause damage to the engine. it's not a huge deal for me either way but for others it could be a big deal.

Ram gives us the actual facts on octane use in writing please!

 

[Cbty2050]

Owners manual states 87 for SO and 91 for HO. Attached a star case for the 3.0.

 

[Pikeman_66]

Owners manual states 87 for SO and 91 for HO.

yep, I have that manual downloaded and that is what it says. But there is so much chatter online about using other octanes even from Ram people not hurting a thing. I just want to know what's the truth of the matter on octane use.

 

[Cbty2050]

yep, I have that manual downloaded and that is what it says. But there is so much chatter online about using other octanes even from Ram people not hurting a thing. I just want to know what's the truth of the matter on octane use.

I added to the post above, sounds like 91 is a must/highly recommended.

 

[Pikeman_66]

I added to the post above, sounds like 91 is a must/highly recommended.

oh, now there is a new piece I haven't seen yet. thanks

 

[DEG]

Ugh, I know everyone seems to want more power but I'd rather have the SO @ 420 HP with better mpg on the higher trims than the HO...

Yea, not even half way through the calendar year and Ram dealers are already offering $17,000+ discounts on new Limited Rams because they can't get rid of them.

I think a motor that requires expensive premium fuel will only hurt demand for the Limited and Tungsten models. Most people who would buy a TRX are looking for a high performance truck and will be more willing to pay for that level of performance because the TRX was designed to focus on performance. However, most looking to by a Limited are looking for a luxury truck; not a performance truck.

 

[bigboost]

Yea, not even half way through the calendar year and Ram dealers are already offering $17,000+ discounts on new Limited Rams because they can't get rid of them.

I think a motor that requires expensive premium fuel will only hurt demand for the Limited and Tungsten models. Most people who would buy a TRX are looking for a high performance truck and will be more willing to pay for that level of performance because the TRX was designed to focus on performance. However, most looking to by a Limited are looking for a luxury truck; not a performance truck.

Much like Fords EB , just another solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Worse fuel economy than comparable V8, loads of complexity for no real benefit over traditional OHV engine. Just another way to drive up the cost of ownership for profit.

 

[smashweights]

Yea, not even half way through the calendar year and Ram dealers are already offering $17,000+ discounts on new Limited Rams because they can't get rid of them.

I think a motor that requires expensive premium fuel will only hurt demand for the Limited and Tungsten models. Most people who would buy a TRX are looking for a high performance truck and will be more willing to pay for that level of performance because the TRX was designed to focus on performance. However, most looking to by a Limited are looking for a luxury truck; not a performance truck.

Or MSRP is just massively inflated. I can't believe when I was buying my 2019 in 2019 a limited was in the high $50k range and now they're almost $90k is wild

 

[Kicker]

I'd still rather have a HEMI.

 

[SD Rebel]

Or MSRP is just massively inflated. I can't believe when I was buying my 2019 in 2019 a limited was in the high $50k range and now they're almost $90k is wild

Massively inflated is my guess. Don't worry, when they sit on the lot at the current APR, even with normal traditional 15%-25% off MSRP, they will likely still sit and prices will likely keep going down.

 

[DEG]

Or MSRP is just massively inflated. I can't believe when I was buying my 2019 in 2019 a limited was in the high $50k range and now they're almost $90k is wild

MSRP for GM and Ford for similarly optioned trucks is about the same but GM and Ford are not offering near the same discounts.

 

[SD Rebel]

MSRP for GM and Ford for similarly optioned trucks is about the same but GM and Ford are not offering near the same discounts.

Normal, RAM has always been the "deal" truck. The Covid market screwed everything up. Though I would say Ford & GM prices are inflated as well. We'll see how it shakes out in the next few years, they don't want to lower the MSRP, but they will deal on discounts as it gets harder to sell.

Or they may just try to sell less volume but at a higher margin. Make more or similar profit out of less vehicles.