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2019 Rebel rear window frame failure, very disappointed

TheWaterman83

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First off, I never wanted to be or thought I was going to be "that guy." The guy who literally feels like driving the truck to another brand dealer, doing a trade on the spot for something else.

Just to frame this out, here is the list of vehicles my family has owner in the last decade and a half.

Ram 1500 Hemi
Ram 2500 Cummins (2006, still owned)
Dodge Durango
Dodge Durango Citadel
Jeep Wranger
Jeep Grand Cherokee
Jeep Grand Cherokee (repeat for me)
Ram Rebel (current, 2019, 48k in miles)
Jeep Grand Cherokee L (current, wife's)

It's been mostly uneventful, until my Ram Rebel. Etorque motor failure, hood latch failure, driver side mirror failure, multiple leaks (my saving grace), exhaust flange bolt failure (after cat), and at this point I am pretty confident that I have the beginnings of the well-known exhaust manifold crack/bolt failure. The good news is that most of this was replaced under the factory bumper to bumper warranty.

The latest is the dreaded rear window frame crack. I bought the Mopar Maximum Protection thinking things like this would be covered. My first mistake was bringing to the most convenient dealer. This dealer turns out to have zero regard for customer loyalty and basically, is just out to try and scam customers. Hearing that "it's not covered" I called Mopar direct. They didn't even have a case in their system. I call back the dealer and ask did they even try? Nope. "My service manager told me it's not covered so I didn't try." Return call to Mopar and now they are fighting me on it claiming that "leaks are not covered." I explained to them the leak is secondary because it's caused by an ACTUAL KNOWN FAILURE OF A PART. The conversation goes more in depth but is needless at this point.

The silver lining is I placed a call to my original dealer. This service department actually cares about their customers. The service rep is working with Mopar because the truck had been brought in two times to them for various leaks prior to 36k in miles. More than likely the leak in the rear was in fact that. So with that, their is hope. Once again, my fault. Should have gone to them in the first place. My only excuse is my wife works and we have a 4 month old. It's a lot for my 70 year old father to drive 20-30 minutes in traffic up to my residence, and then back, every time I need to drop off or pick up the truck.

I'll post what the final update is here. Right now if I had left it to the hands of the first dealer, my out of pocket would be $2,000+ in parts and labor. Hopefully this ends with me telling everyone the second dealer got Mopar to do the right thing.

Lessons to be learned? First one is stick to your original and loyal dealer. Second? I'm not going to actually say it but it is probably how you would feel if Mopar was trying to deny a $2000 claim on a well-known part failure.
 

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First off, I never wanted to be or thought I was going to be "that guy." The guy who literally feels like driving the truck to another brand dealer, doing a trade on the spot for something else.

Just to frame this out, here is the list of vehicles my family has owner in the last decade and a half.

Ram 1500 Hemi
Ram 2500 Cummins (2006, still owned)
Dodge Durango
Dodge Durango Citadel
Jeep Wranger
Jeep Grand Cherokee
Jeep Grand Cherokee (repeat for me)
Ram Rebel (current, 2019, 48k in miles)
Jeep Grand Cherokee L (current, wife's)

It's been mostly uneventful, until my Ram Rebel. Etorque motor failure, hood latch failure, driver side mirror failure, multiple leaks (my saving grace), exhaust flange bolt failure (after cat), and at this point I am pretty confident that I have the beginnings of the well-known exhaust manifold crack/bolt failure. The good news is that most of this was replaced under the factory bumper to bumper warranty.

The latest is the dreaded rear window frame crack. I bought the Mopar Maximum Protection thinking things like this would be covered. My first mistake was bringing to the most convenient dealer. This dealer turns out to have zero regard for customer loyalty and basically, is just out to try and scam customers. Hearing that "it's not covered" I called Mopar direct. They didn't even have a case in their system. I call back the dealer and ask did they even try? Nope. "My service manager told me it's not covered so I didn't try." Return call to Mopar and now they are fighting me on it claiming that "leaks are not covered." I explained to them the leak is secondary because it's caused by an ACTUAL KNOWN FAILURE OF A PART. The conversation goes more in depth but is needless at this point.

The silver lining is I placed a call to my original dealer. This service department actually cares about their customers. The service rep is working with Mopar because the truck had been brought in two times to them for various leaks prior to 36k in miles. More than likely the leak in the rear was in fact that. So with that, their is hope. Once again, my fault. Should have gone to them in the first place. My only excuse is my wife works and we have a 4 month old. It's a lot for my 70 year old father to drive 20-30 minutes in traffic up to my residence, and then back, every time I need to drop off or pick up the truck.

I'll post what the final update is here. Right now if I had left it to the hands of the first dealer, my out of pocket would be $2,000+ in parts and labor. Hopefully this ends with me telling everyone the second dealer got Mopar to do the right thing.

Lessons to be learned? First one is stick to your original and loyal dealer. Second? I'm not going to actually say it but it is probably how you would feel if Mopar was trying to deny a $2000 claim on a well-known part failure.

hope for the best

my last truck had problems with air suspension, and just like you i went to the original dealer because it was denied with the closess dealer to my house, but my truck was way out of warranty , and all of that to says they did help alot, because it was i well know problem and because they had care about their costumers..

so finger cross :)
 

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This is helpful to me, I sold my early build 2019 while it was still under it's 3/36 because I was tired of making 3 trips to the dealer for every issue "my leak guy is here on thursdays" - didn't even occur to me that they'd try not to cover the rear window under max care.

Now looking at ordering a 2023 but it's distressing that problems I had 3 years ago are still happening.
 

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First off, I never wanted to be or thought I was going to be "that guy." The guy who literally feels like driving the truck to another brand dealer, doing a trade on the spot for something else.

Just to frame this out, here is the list of vehicles my family has owner in the last decade and a half.

Ram 1500 Hemi
Ram 2500 Cummins (2006, still owned)
Dodge Durango
Dodge Durango Citadel
Jeep Wranger
Jeep Grand Cherokee
Jeep Grand Cherokee (repeat for me)
Ram Rebel (current, 2019, 48k in miles)
Jeep Grand Cherokee L (current, wife's)

It's been mostly uneventful, until my Ram Rebel. Etorque motor failure, hood latch failure, driver side mirror failure, multiple leaks (my saving grace), exhaust flange bolt failure (after cat), and at this point I am pretty confident that I have the beginnings of the well-known exhaust manifold crack/bolt failure. The good news is that most of this was replaced under the factory bumper to bumper warranty.

The latest is the dreaded rear window frame crack. I bought the Mopar Maximum Protection thinking things like this would be covered. My first mistake was bringing to the most convenient dealer. This dealer turns out to have zero regard for customer loyalty and basically, is just out to try and scam customers. Hearing that "it's not covered" I called Mopar direct. They didn't even have a case in their system. I call back the dealer and ask did they even try? Nope. "My service manager told me it's not covered so I didn't try." Return call to Mopar and now they are fighting me on it claiming that "leaks are not covered." I explained to them the leak is secondary because it's caused by an ACTUAL KNOWN FAILURE OF A PART. The conversation goes more in depth but is needless at this point.

The silver lining is I placed a call to my original dealer. This service department actually cares about their customers. The service rep is working with Mopar because the truck had been brought in two times to them for various leaks prior to 36k in miles. More than likely the leak in the rear was in fact that. So with that, their is hope. Once again, my fault. Should have gone to them in the first place. My only excuse is my wife works and we have a 4 month old. It's a lot for my 70 year old father to drive 20-30 minutes in traffic up to my residence, and then back, every time I need to drop off or pick up the truck.

I'll post what the final update is here. Right now if I had left it to the hands of the first dealer, my out of pocket would be $2,000+ in parts and labor. Hopefully this ends with me telling everyone the second dealer got Mopar to do the right thing.

Lessons to be learned? First one is stick to your original and loyal dealer. Second? I'm not going to actually say it but it is probably how you would feel if Mopar was trying to deny a $2000 claim on a well-known part failure.


let us know what the good dealer does
 

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let us know what the good dealer does

I will for sure because as much as I complained, I want to be fair and post a (hopefully fair and just) outcome.

At least the first dealer gave me back the truck without charging me for diagnostics.
 
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I will for sure because as much as I complained, I want to be fair and post a (hopefully fair and just) outcome.

At least the first dealer gave me back the truck without charging me for diagnostics.
I never understood why a dealer charges a "diagnostic" charge for something clearly a known issue, or covered under warranty.
 

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I mean this with all sincerity.
GET RID OF THAT PIECE OF JUNK!

Don;t care if you trade for another Ram, Ford, Chevy or Oscar Meyer Wiener Mobile but that constantly breaking down truck of yours needs go away.

Bluntly?
Flush that Turd.

Sounds like you got what we used to call Friday Afternoon cars.
Comes off the line on a friday afternoon when everyone is thinking about everything but building that car.

there is a reason why when an Employee would place an order for a new car of their own, their name would be welded in the trunk.
So everyone one, on the assembly line, would Notice, "Hey, this is for one of us", and take extra care doing their particular job.
Not sure if that practice still occurs, today, but it was up to 15 years ago.

Honesty, might be hard to do, right now, but be Thankful.
I cannot think of single one of my over 60 friends, who at some point in their Life, did not get a crappy car.
Do not anyone who ever got two of them.

Seems like you got yours rather quickly. with a Baby at home, figure you're on the upswing of aging, not the downward slope..
Odds are you will not ever get another Junker.

If trading this one off means you take a hit, take the hit, all at once and end the steady stream of aggravation, now.

Unless you're one of those folks who'd rather pick, pick, pick at a splinter,
instead of grabbing a razor, slicing the skin, ripping it out and calling it good.

If ya prefer Pick PIck PIcking, then keep the truck and enjoy your own Trail of Tears you are already well along.

My intent is not hurt your feelings, anger or offend in any way, and if such is the case, I most sincerely apologize.
Am genuinely trying to give sound advise and ease your situation.

Good LUck and hope it all turns out well for you
 
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I mean this with all sincerity.
GET RID OF THAT PIECE OF JUNK!

Don;t care if you trade for another Ram, Ford, Chevy or Oscar Meyer Wiener Mobile but that constantly breaking down truck of yours needs go away.

Bluntly?
Flush that Turd.
I don't know if this is good or bad but I guess unfortunately, a lot of the issues are pretty well known. Rear window frame crack, leaks, Etorque/battery failure, exhaust manifold issues, etc.

The grass is greener analogy worries me as well. I have a cousin who's brand new 2021 GMC died in the middle of the road in front of his house. According to him, it was a crankshaft issue. He can't even turn a screwdriver so my guess is crankshaft position sensor but my point being, brand new truck had to be flat bedded to the dealer.

Does anyone make a reliable vehicle without ongoing issues these days?
 
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I can tell you, grass isn't always greener on the other side (brand). I've had a Titan, Frontier, Silverado, and F150, all in the past few years. They've ALL had some kind of quirky issue that is a known problem, and wasn't fixed in the new model year. the Frontier and the F150 being the worse. Silverado was not far behind. Titan had the least issues. Knock on wood, no real issues with the RAM yet (Sure Its coming, however).

Hopefully, the leak gets fixed.
 
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I mean this with all sincerity.
GET RID OF THAT PIECE OF JUNK!

Don;t care if you trade for another Ram, Ford, Chevy or Oscar Meyer Wiener Mobile but that constantly breaking down truck of yours needs go away.

Bluntly?
Flush that Turd.

Sounds like you got what we used to call Friday Afternoon cars.
Comes off the line on a friday afternoon when everyone is thinking about everything but building that car.

there is a reason why when an Employee would place an order for a new car of their own, their name would be welded in the trunk.
So everyone one, on the assembly line, would Notice, "Hey, this is for one of us", and take extra care doing their particular job.
Not sure if that practice still occurs, today, but it was up to 15 years ago.

Honesty, might be hard to do, right now, but be Thankful.
I cannot think of single one of my over 60 friends, who at some point in their Life, did not get a crappy car.
Do not anyone who ever got two of them.

Seems like you got yours rather quickly. with a Baby at home, figure you're on the upswing of aging, not the downward slope..
Odds are you will not ever get another Junker.

If trading this one off means you take a hit, take the hit, all at once and end the steady stream of aggravation, now.

Unless you're one of those folks who'd rather pick, pick, pick at a splinter,
instead of grabbing a razor, slicing the skin, ripping it out and calling it good.

If ya prefer Pick PIck PIcking, then keep the truck and enjoy your own Trail of Tears you are already well along.

My intent is not hurt your feelings, anger or offend in any way, and if such is the case, I most sincerely apologize.
Am genuinely trying to give sound advise and ease your situation.

Good LUck and hope it all turns out well for you
Do you own a RAM?
 

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I can tell you, grass isn't always greener on the other side (brand). I've had a Titan, Frontier, Silverado, and F150, all in the past few years. They've ALL had some kind of quirky issue that is a known problem, and wasn't fixed in the new model year. the Frontier and the F150 being the worse. Silverado was not far behind. Titan had the least issues. Knock on wood, no real issues with the RAM yet (Sure Its coming, however).

Hopefully, the leak gets fixed.
At least reading threads like this you are educated. My advice would be the first sign of any leak, or anything out of the ordinary, get it in to get checked...immediately. Me doing that hopefully was the only thing saving me from a $2000+ repair bill.
 
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Was yours a 2019? To be fair, I tend to stay away from first year "all new" models as manufacturers are still working out bugs.
 

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Was yours a 2019? To be fair, I tend to stay away from first year "all new" models as manufacturers are still working out bugs.
It's a 2019 according to the thread title. Avoiding the first model year of a redesign is common. That's what I did as well. But 2020 and 2021 models have also had the rear window frame cracking issue. Our 2020 Limited had the cracks within 6 months of purchasing it, but so far no leaking has been detected. Local dealership said it's covered under warranty. It just hasn't been a priority for me to take it in. I have until late April, and procrastination is my middle name.
 

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It just hasn't been a priority for me to take it in. I have until late April, and procrastination is my middle name.
Do yourself a favor and try to get that setup for repair. 1) When they start to leak, they can leak bad and ruin your headliner. Thank God mine is a black interior 2) It can take them a while to get the part.
 
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There was a TSB issued April 22, 2021. Did anyone have leaks after taking it in? Are these cracks occurring on the 2022 model year?
 

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There was a TSB issued April 22, 2021. Did anyone have leaks after taking it in? Are these cracks occurring on the 2022 model year?
I have a '22 that's 7 months old. No crack in mine yet. I'd be interested to know if anybody has pinpointed the cause of it cracking? Is it due to expansion/contraction from heat? Is it due to the sliding mechanism? Is it only on sliders?
 

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My `19 was repaired under warranty in late 2019.
That frame let go about a week ago, proceeded to apply flow-able silicone.
Good to go for now, cost about 8 bucks.
 

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First off, I never wanted to be or thought I was going to be "that guy." The guy who literally feels like driving the truck to another brand dealer, doing a trade on the spot for something else.
sorry for all the trouble you are having

however you brought a first year model and they have had lots of issues
can you lemon law it as this might be your only option
 

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