2025 Ram 1500 First Drive: No More Hemi

[SD Rebel]

And that's fine, you can remain unconvinced. It's not my problem

Or course not, it never was, I may still join you one day.

 

[SD Rebel]

@SD Rebel and @silver billet while I also enjoy a discussion/banter about who is right. Put it to bed, you hijacked a thread and made it about oil.

The OP is excited to drive this version of the truck.

You are right about that, sorry to the OP for throwing this thread off the rails.

 

[Hamesie]

Yet another interesting-math on the Longhorn pricing "The Limited Longhorn sees the biggest increase, jumping by $13,460 over 2024 prices to $77,150."

2025 Longhorn starts at $77,606
2024 Longhorn started (beginning of model year June 2023) $68,785
2024 Longhorn ended (end of model year November 2023) $70,285
Gap $8,821... not shy by any means, but also not $13,460

RAM aka Stellantis is pricing themselves out of the market. The RAM was the blue collar and affordable truck... now they think they own the road and can price however they want to. I feel bad for anyone who puts themselves in debt to buy the newer versions. I concur with a statement that was made, lease the dam thing, run it into the ground and flip the keys right back. Once these engines have proven themselves long-term durability, at that time, maybe consider purchasing one that is used and reasonably priced.

 

[AnthonyRI]

RAM aka Stellantis is pricing themselves out of the market. The RAM was the blue collar and affordable truck... now they think they own the road and can price however they want to. I feel bad for anyone who puts themselves in debt to buy the newer versions. I concur with a statement that was made, lease the dam thing, run it into the ground and flip the keys right back. Once these engines have proven themselves long-term durability, at that time, maybe consider purchasing one that is used and reasonably priced.

Yes they have made some significant errors in pricing, as we can see by Stellantis having to re-invoice ALL HD RAMS this month.
However, I am as critical of journalists (if we can use that term any longer) as I am of OEM advertisements - fact check both was the point.

 

[silver billet]

@SD Rebel and @silver billet while I also enjoy a discussion/banter about who is right. Put it to bed, you hijacked a thread and made it about oil.

To bad, if you're not the OP or a mod I'm not going to lose any sleep over a discussion that morphs as they always tend to do over time.

 

[Cbty2050]

To bad, if you're not the OP or a mod I'm not going to lose any sleep over a discussion that morphs as they always tend to do over time.

OK

My man, you're 100% hopeless. You run whatever you want, I'm not discussing this any further as it's waste of time.

Yet you won't stop. My oil is better than your oil because it is slippery.

 

[Dewey]

I see we have a last word war going on

Thought only women do that.

 

[Cbty2050]

I see we have a last word war going on

Thought only women do that.

I will not let her get the last word in.

 

[TheWaterman83]

I remember when people would complain about power door locks and power windows, as just another thing that will fail and cost more money to fix.

I won't be getting a 3.0 because it's a 1st run of a newer tech put out by Ram. I see all their failures first hand. Hurricanes eating their catalytic converters, cylinder walls scoring, are just a few issues. I think no oil dip stick is one of the dumbest things yet. On a positive note, I think they finally fixed the manifold issues on this engine .

Correct me if I'm wrong but you work in a dealership right? Just wanted to point this out because I tend to more stock into what you (and others similar to you) say.

I'm right there with you. I don't even know what to say to the no oil dipstick.

I'm only 40 but I'm one of those guys now who doesn't trust "brand new shiny tech." Let others deal with the headache until they figure it out.

 

[TheWaterman83]

I think this is a Euro centric view on the brand and those in charge of the brand in the US weren't strong enough to convince them that a V8 was necessary. I guess we'll find out.

You might be right. It's just unfortunately, a trend that seems to be unstoppable.

I, probably like you, come from the generation of not even being able to conceive of not offering a V8 option in a half-ton. When the NA V6 options came out, I could understand that. Maybe someone who just does some light-hauling, minimal towing, and basically needs a means of transport while throwing tools in the back? OK.

But trying to fill the V8 hole with a turbocharged I-6 in a half-ton? Eeesh.

 

[Cbty2050]

I'm only 40 but I'm one of those guys now who doesn't trust "brand new shiny tech." Let others deal with the headache until they figure it out.

Your engine could be overfilled by 3 quarts and you wouldn't know.

 

[TheWaterman83]

Your engine could be overfilled by 3 quarts and you wouldn't know.

Humor me here....how do you even check your oil then? You just fill to spec and pray?

 

[SD Rebel]

You might be right. It's just unfortunately, a trend that seems to be unstoppable.

I, probably like you, come from the generation of not even being able to conceive of not offering a V8 option in a half-ton. When the NA V6 options came out, I could understand that. Maybe someone who just does some light-hauling, minimal towing, and basically needs a means of transport while throwing tools in the back? OK.

But trying to fill the V8 hole with a turbocharged I-6 in a half-ton? Eeesh.

Yup, get them while you can. However, we still hae GM and Ford options likely in the future for quite a bit, GM has recently invested almost 1 billion into brining their small block V8s into compliance, likely to see first use starting in 2028, first in the C8 Corvette and then their truck line. I think the 5.0L is good until the Mustang stops using it, which the last ICE generation just came out, so 7-8 years more.

 

[Cbty2050]

Humor me here....how do you even check your oil then? You just fill to spec and pray?

There is a oil level gauge in the cluster.

 

[TheWaterman83]

There is a oil level gauge in the cluster.

That is actually pretty cool but what they SHOULD have is a dipstick AND that.

Yup, get them while you can. However, we still hae GM and Ford options likely in the future for quite a bit, GM has recently invested almost 1 billion into brining their small block V8s into compliance, likely to see first use starting in 2028, first in the C8 Corvette and then their truck line. I think the 5.0L is good until the Mustang stops using it, which the last ICE generation just came out, so 7-8 years more.

It will be a long time for me (hopefully) as I plan to drive my 2019 till it dies. Who knows where the world will be then. Hopefully that's much later than sooner lol.

 

[Biga]

There is a oil level gauge in the cluster.

The oil level is one thing but being able to see the oil with your own eyes to examine it's condition is another.

 

[DEG]

The oil level is one thing but being able to see the oil with your own eyes to examine it's condition is another.

I would guess the algorithms that turn on the oil change indicator more accurately senses oil condition than what a person can determine by just looking at oil on the dipstick.

 

[Jedi9]

When was the oil dipstick delete? 2022?

 

[HSKR R/T]

When was the oil dipstick delete? 2022?

For most average vehicle owners, about 20 years ago because people just don't check their own oil anymore.

 

[Jedi9]

I lifted mine so I could slide under it easier to change the oil