diesel shortage

[mdirads]

anyone concerned about a potential shortage? would it be wise to keep fuel on hand for personal commuting? I own other cars that run on gasoline, but I’d rather drive my Ram.

 

[Brutal_HO]

Anyone that replies to the thread needs to stay ON TOPIC.

If I have to clean up a mess again, the thread will get nuked and everyone gets warnings.

 

[n8zcc]

I've been reading the news stories of the pending shortages of diesel in the northeast down through South Carolina. My takeaway is the reduced amounts of diesel are causing inflated prices per gallon forcing many small to mid-size trucking services out of business. They simply can't afford the fuel costs. From the interviews I've seen, most trucking companies say that once diesel hits the mid-six dollar range, they are pulling the plug.

I think the real issue isn't the possible shortage of diesel but the price increases for diesel fuel. This will cause loss of services like trucking. The real threat is empty shelves at the stores. Think about what diesel powers, locomotives, trucks, fire fighting equipment, home heating, and garbage pick up to mention a few critical services. This country's infrastructure moves on diesel and a loss of diesel fuel will cause mayhem in the affected areas.

As far as keeping fuel on hand, how? What can we do, go out and purchase 5-gallon cans and get them filled, how many should we get? How long can this last? I don't think it is worth it.

I wouldn't be concerned with your gas car either, recall how gasoline is transported to your local gas station, on the back of an oil burner.

 

[djevox]

I’m extremely concerned about the potential diesel shortage. The general public doesn’t realize how much diesel is embedded into everything: tractor-trailers, agriculture, industrial processing, back up generators, locomotives, military logistics/heavy vehicles, and on and on. The point is, farmers will have to stop growing food at scale and our food stops moving. It will be a disaster scenario if we run out. Windmills and electric schoolbuses aren’t solving this problem.

 

[mdirads]

I did some additional reading after my initial post. Seems as if n8zcc is correct: the issue is with business-dependent fuel, and personal consumption should not be affected by supply, but rather by price. I had considered acquiring 5-gallon containers, but also realized how much a PITA that would be.

 

[WXman]

Well, allegedly it would only affect several southeastern states. But anyway, you can't have a thread like this without discussing WHY this is happening, and Brutal already said we can't get into that, so might as well go ahead and close this thread down.

 

[theblet]

It’s very concerning for sure. It’ll just make things worse.

 

[Aseras]

I don't expect it to really be an issue since winter is so warm right now.. Diesel is the first thing out of refineries usually.

I have a few fuel caddies I use for hurricane season. They work great, and if you put diesel in them they'd last indefinitely. Gas needs to be stabilized. They were $120 at northern tool for 14 or 16 gallons?

 

[Klink]

THIS. It's absurd TRYING to have the discussion without discussing the root cause.

Well, allegedly it would only affect several southeastern states. But anyway, you can't have a thread like this without discussing WHY this is happening, and Brutal already said we can't get into that, so might as well go ahead and close this thread down.

 

[Ramroo]

The diesel shortage is NOT due to rednecks and their diesel trucks ( the posts were deleted going into detail ). The shortage IS due to drilling, oil exploration, and refineries shutting down within the last 2 years. America is now dependent on foreign oil and we are having trouble begging for it with Russia at war.

 

[Brutal_HO]

Nothing wrong with discussing the root causes, but it turns into a giant cesspool of conspiracy theories and political name calling, and in this case a bunch of rants about rolling coal and rednecks.

If people could be adult about it, and use facts instead of feels and unfounded rumors, it would be tolerable.

 

[Brutal_HO]

Well, allegedly it would only affect several southeastern states. But anyway, you can't have a thread like this without discussing WHY this is happening, and Brutal already said we can't get into that, so might as well go ahead and close this thread down.

You completely misrepresented my comment.

I asked that the thread stay on topic.

Calling people morons for rolling coal and a bunch of LGB posts isn't on topic.

Let's talk lack of refining capacity due to EPA regs, curtailment of drilling leases (or at least the access to the land), and the current administration's ineptness, or to play devil's advocate, oil company profits. But devolving into a mosh pit of mouth breathing senseless rants isn't on topic.

 

[wjcook68]

FWIW. I read an article that said the supply hit 26.5 days in 2019 so a low number is not without precedence. I think we will make it through this as long as they keep refining. The graph shows we have had low supply before and we made it.

 

[Aseras]

The diesel shortage is NOT due to rednecks and their diesel trucks ( the posts were deleted going into detail ). The shortage IS due to drilling, oil exploration, and refineries shutting down within the last 2 years. America is now dependent on foreign oil and we are having trouble begging for it with Russia at war.

The US hasn't truly been dependent on foreign oil since late 2016 for most things and everything since 2019. The oil we import is offsetting oil exports for different grades and niche markets.

Exports are going NUTS, much of the imports are for refinement and exporting.

U.S. Exports of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels per Day)

Supply and Disposition of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products

www.eia.gov

Product	Field Production	Biofuels Plant Net Production	Refinery & Blender Net Production	Imports	Net Receipts	Adjust- ments	Stock Change	Refinery & Blender Net Inputs	Exports	Products Supplied
Finished Petroleum Products	- -	8	19,329	739		71	-248	- -	3,401	16,994
Finished Motor Gasoline	- -	8	9,873	94		71	2	- -	963	9,080
Reformulated	- -		3,017	-		-15	0	- -	-	3,002
Conventional	- -	8	6,856	94		86	2	- -	963	6,078
Finished Aviation Gasoline	- -	- -	14	0		- -	-4	- -	-	18
Kerosene-Type Jet Fuel	- -	0	1,683	85		- -	-92	- -	211	1,650
Kerosene	- -	-	13	-		- -	-1	- -	14	1
Distillate Fuel Oil	- -	0	5,142	176		-	24	- -	1,424	3,871
15 ppm Sulfur and Under	- -	0	4,929	166		-	8	- -	1,228	3,859
Greater than 15 to 500 ppm Sulfur	- -	0	100	10		-	-3	- -	104	8
Greater than 500 ppm Sulfur	- -	-	114	0		- -	18	- -	92	4

 

[theblet]

Is that from selling all of our strategic oil reserve?

 

[Ramroo]

It’s the current administration‘s agenda to go “green“ that has caused America to have an oil, gas, and diesel shortage. Pure and simple.

This shortage has got America in a very desperate situation, and taxing oil companies to try to get more oil from them is not going to work. The only solution is to go back to drill baby drill, and get rid of the people that want to go green at any expense.

I‘m very afraid that after we get done asking for oil, that America’s finest will have to go fight for it.

 

[theblet]

It’s the current administration‘s agenda to go “green“ that has caused America to have an oil, gas, and diesel shortage. Pure and simple.

This shortage has got America in a very desperate situation, and taxing oil companies to try to get more oil from them is not going to work. The only solution is to go back to drill baby drill, and get rid of the people that want to go green at any expense.

I‘m very afraid that after we get done asking for oil, that America’s finest will have to go fight for it.

Yes! Get back to energy independence.

 

[Aseras]

Is that from selling all of our strategic oil reserve?

No much more was taken before this administration

U.S. Crude Oil Supply & Disposition

 

[Aseras]

It’s the current administration‘s agenda to go “green“ that has caused America to have an oil, gas, and diesel shortage. Pure and simple.

This shortage has got America in a very desperate situation, and taxing oil companies to try to get more oil from them is not going to work. The only solution is to go back to drill baby drill, and get rid of the people that want to go green at any expense.

I‘m very afraid that after we get done asking for oil, that America’s finest will have to go fight for it.

The US is outproducing everyone else

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

The US has the 4th largest recoverable Lithium reserves, more than China. Give it a couple years, more EV adoption and there will never be an oil shortage again. Give it a decade or two and oill will be worthless for all but factors of scale for large machinery and transports. This is the death throes of oil losing its power and grip on the world.

 

[theblet]

The US is outproducing everyone else

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

The US has the 4th largest recoverable Lithium reserves, more than China. Give it a couple years, more EV adoption and there will never be an oil shortage again. Give it a decade or two and oill will be worthless for all but factors of scale for large machinery and transports. This is the death throes of oil losing its power and grip on the world.

They would rather fuel be high, thinking it will make people want EVs more.