Alpine 9 Speaker System, Adding A Subwoofer.....

[1lowcab]

Ok, I've read through a lot of the threads on here and I'm still confused, lol.

I want to install an aftermarket subwoofer and amplifier. what cable or box do I need since I have ANC?
I have the Alpine system with the factory 8" sub.

All I want is a clean low level signal to run to a monoblock amp to power a pair of subs and not have the ANC go crazy.

 

[Whoa_Ram]

Subbed as I want to add some bass to mine as well.

 

[ayoslickxd]

same i wanna add a sub in the truck most likey another 8 and some tweeters in the rear

 

[1lowcab]

Well, I hope someone can point us in the right direction!!

 

[sppb32]

The alpine system is a bit complicated, i was looking at the Factory subwoofer and it's a triple voice coil, i completely removed it as i'm running close to 7K watts and needed room for a lithium battery but it's the first time i saw a speaker with 3 voice coils... Now (technically) you should be able to tap into one of the voice coil feeds and use a line output converter for an aftermarket amplifier, i won't be able to test that theory because i got the battery installed and the seat back on but i'm pretty sure it's possible.

 

[ayoslickxd]

The alpine system is a bit complicated, i was looking at the Factory subwoofer and it's a triple voice coil, i completely removed it as i'm running close to 7K watts and needed room for a lithium battery but it's the first time i saw a speaker with 3 voice coils... Now (technically) you should be able to tap into one of the voice coil feeds and use a line output converter for an aftermarket amplifier, i won't be able to test that theory because i got the battery installed and the seat back on but i'm pretty sure it's possible.

so if i removed it would i be able to add a different sub in place of it and then add another amp also?

 

[1lowcab]

Ok, I got it somewhat figured out.

Use this to add the aftermarket amplifier.
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_541APSCH41/PAC-APSUB-CH41-AmpPRO-SUB-Wiring-Interface.html?tp=6348

I found out that I don't have ANC in my truck so I'm good, I'm not sure what you would do to bypass it however.

 

[sppb32]

so if i removed it would i be able to add a different sub in place of it and then add another amp also?

It's not that simple that's what i'm saying, the best option is an integration module like 1lowcab mentioned.

 

[ayoslickxd]

It's not that simple that's what i'm saying, the best option is an integration module like 1lowcab mentioned.

dam these trucks so complicated

 

[Fire200Mb]

Has anyone used Fox Acoustics for subwoofer enclosures????

 

[david0]

But if you did have ANC then you would use this.
https://catalog.pac-audio.com/catalog/amplifier-integration-harness/anc-ch01

I am trying this out for my '19 Rebel with the 12" touchscreen and factory Alpine system.

I've been browsing the forum for several days as I plan my install, and there is a lot of confusion that makes it hard to know what will work and what won't. I only found this thread because of a link from another thread I was reviewing. My plan is below, and I'll follow up to confirm if this works for me or not.

I'll tap into the driver's side rear speaker signal (from this harness), so that I leave the factory wiring untouched and also disable ANC. I'll be running some 2-conductor 18awg wire from my taps on this harness to my amp's speaker level inputs. My amp is the Audio Control LC1.800, and I'm putting in the JL Audio Stealthbox with the two pre-loaded 10s.

If Amazon delivers the harness earlier than later tomorrow, I'll probably be able to finish my install this weekend. I'll let you know how it goes.

 

[1lowcab]

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Has anyone used Fox Acoustics for subwoofer enclosures????

There are a few videos of them on youtube, they look pretty good. Its what I'll be using once I start on the sound system.

I am trying this out for my '19 Rebel with the 12" touchscreen and factory Alpine system.

I've been browsing the forum for several days as I plan my install, and there is a lot of confusion that makes it hard to know what will work and what won't. I only found this thread because of a link from another thread I was reviewing. My plan is below, and I'll follow up to confirm if this works for me or not.

I'll tap into the driver's side rear speaker signal (from this harness), so that I leave the factory wiring untouched and also disable ANC. I'll be running some 2-conductor 18awg wire from my taps on this harness to my amp's speaker level inputs. My amp is the Audio Control LC1.800, and I'm putting in the JL Audio Stealthbox with the two pre-loaded 10s.

If Amazon delivers the harness earlier than later tomorrow, I'll probably be able to finish my install this weekend. I'll let you know how it goes.

Keep us updated.

 

[david0]

I am not too happy with the ANC-CH01 harness.

First of all, the instructions suck - it says to disconnect the 22 pin connector from the ANC and connect the harness to the disconnected plug, but there are two 22 pin connectors going into the module - one grey, and one white. It doesn't say which one to disconnect, and I'm not going to randomly pick one and risk damaging my truck's electronics.

Second, the 16 pin connector on the ANC-CH01 harness does not fit the female harness from the vehicle. While it's close, the spacing of the grooves on the bottom of the connectors don't line up. Pictured below, the left plug is from the ANC-CH01 harness - the right plug is the one pulled from the ANC module.



I managed to get the two connectors connected about 1/8th of an inch, and just look at how the harness housing (at the bottom) is bending to try to fit around the vehicle plug:

The other two connectors in the harness fit fine - this is the only one giving me issues. It's also odd that the vehicle connector has 5 pairs, but the PAC harness only has 4 pairs. I am going to get in touch with PAC about the issue on Monday and see what they say.

 

[dts828]

I am not too happy with the ANC-CH01 harness.

First of all, the instructions suck - it says to disconnect the 22 pin connector from the ANC and connect the harness to the disconnected plug, but there are two 22 pin connectors going into the module - one grey, and one white. It doesn't say which one to disconnect, and I'm not going to randomly pick one and risk damaging my truck's electronics.

Second, the 16 pin connector on the ANC-CH01 harness does not fit the female harness from the vehicle. While it's close, the spacing of the grooves on the bottom of the connectors don't line up. Pictured below, the left plug is from the ANC-CH01 harness - the right plug is the one pulled from the ANC module.

View attachment 98083

I managed to get the two connectors connected about 1/8th of an inch, and just look at how the harness housing (at the bottom) is bending to try to fit around the vehicle plug: View attachment 98084

The other two connectors in the harness fit fine - this is the only one giving me issues. It's also odd that the vehicle connector has 5 pairs, but the PAC harness only has 4 pairs. I am going to get in touch with PAC about the issue on Monday and see what they say.

You sure that harness is compatible with the Alpine and HK systems?

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[Rlandon]

You sure that harness is compatible with the Alpine and HK systems?

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After just reading the instructions from the PAC site, it is not for use on amplified systems with center channels or factory subs. That eliminates the Alpine and HK. This is to get a high level signal to an aftermarket amp. That's the way I read the doc's. I bought one myself but yet to install. I think I'll return it to Amazon and keep the money.

https://catalog.pac-audio.com/index.php?controller=attachment&id_attachment=1775

 

[1lowcab]

Well that sucks, scratch that one off the list.
There has to be something out there to bypass the ANC on the factory amplified systems.

 

[david0]

After just reading the instructions from the PAC site, it is not for use on amplified systems with center channels or factory subs. That eliminates the Alpine and HK. This is to get a high level signal to an aftermarket amp. That's the way I read the doc's. I bought one myself but yet to install. I think I'll return it to Amazon and keep the money.

https://catalog.pac-audio.com/index.php?controller=attachment&id_attachment=1775

I was also wondering about the compatibility, but the poor instructions left the possibility of it working with the Alpine system open ended. My interpretation of the installation notes was that it's not for aftermarket amplified systems, but was okay for the factory amplified systems. However, item #2 in the notes suggests the presence of a center channel and/or subwoofer indicate it's not compatible because it's factory amplified. To further confuse the reader, they say the harness is only for "non-amplified vehicles"... but all speakers are powered by an amplifier one way or another, so I took the chance.

I'll try to get the correct connector part number from PAC support on Monday so I can share it here and make my own.

On another note - why does the ANC module need to be disabled/bypassed? Have people left the ANC module in place and ran into problems? I am skeptical of the "because it will cause issues with aftermarket audio changes" answer, and I would like to explore this in more detail while my install is on hold.

 

[jd20lar]

I was also wondering about the compatibility, but the poor instructions left the possibility of it working with the Alpine system open ended. My interpretation of the installation notes was that it's not for aftermarket amplified systems, but was okay for the factory amplified systems. However, item #2 in the notes suggests the presence of a center channel and/or subwoofer indicate it's not compatible because it's factory amplified. To further confuse the reader, they say the harness is only for "non-amplified vehicles"... but all speakers are powered by an amplifier one way or another, so I took the chance.

I'll try to get the correct connector part number from PAC support on Monday so I can share it here and make my own.

On another note - why does the ANC module need to be disabled/bypassed? Have people left the ANC module in place and ran into problems? I am skeptical of the "because it will cause issues with aftermarket audio changes" answer, and I would like to explore this in more detail while my install is on hold.

Alpine system here too. I've been looking and hunting for ways to upgrade without completely trashing the factory amp and ANC sys. Not really possible without a lot of hassle wiring(larger) and/or spending big bucks.

Go to Crutchfield.com I think you have the wrong connector. you need the 03, not the 01.

I was hopping to put in some speakers and call it good. But.... I put Infinity Ref in dash, nice and bright, and now makes the rest sound like the crap it is. The front doors only receive low end so can't put full range in, would be a waste w/o bipassing amp. Going to in rear tho (Infinity Ref again) hoping to add some balance back. But I fear then I will want more bass too. Power output amp to factory sub? Might just upgrade sub?
Here is a vid that really helps to understand why these systems are a pain to upgrade and the neatest way I think with the DSR1 ....

Next note. Has anyone done anything with the headliner speakers recently? Is it worth it? Read some old on here. And how to get the grills off? Saw some pics he posted but mine just won't.

 

[RichInMN]

On another note - why does the ANC module need to be disabled/bypassed? Have people left the ANC module in place and ran into problems? I am skeptical of the "because it will cause issues with aftermarket audio changes" answer, and I would like to explore this in more detail while my install is on hold.

Don't be skeptical - the ANC is made for factory levels and speakers, and will send crazy low tones through anything different.

You can keep it hooked up... so long as you disconnect all of the ANC's microphones.

 

[1lowcab]

Don't be skeptical - the ANC is made for factory levels and speakers, and will send crazy low tones through anything different.

You can keep it hooked up... so long as you disconnect all of the ANC's microphones.

Can you just depin the mics at the connector?